Internet Relay Chats/April 8, 2015



Date and Time April 8, 2015, 9:00 pm

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Topic Status and growth of Indian language Wiktionaries

Agenda


 * Touching base with the community
 * Discussing status, proposed activities, exchange of best practices and formation of pan-Indian working group for the growth of Wiktionaries.

Registered Attendees


 * 1) ravidreams
 * 2) Bodhisattwa
 * 3) Yohannvt
 * 4) Info-farmer
 * 5) Odisha1
 * 6) Omshivaprakash 15:06, 7 April 2015 (IST)
 * 7) Gullapalli Nageswara Rao --Nrgullapalli 16:24, 7 April 2015 (IST)

Actual Attendees


 * 1) Ravidreams
 * 2) Bodhisattwa
 * 3) Info-farmer
 * 4) Omshivaprakash
 * 5) Shanmugam

Log

As archived at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-in/20150408.txt

[15:31:21] 	 Hello everyobody [15:32:42] 	 Hello ravi, welcome [15:32:43] 	 Hi [15:33:39] 	 I hope we can start todays dscussion [15:33:54] 	 I am checking if few others who signed up are available [15:34:00] 	 Yes, we can start [15:34:37] 	 Hope you are well [15:34:55] 	 Hi Loganathan Sir [15:35:01] 	 How r u? [15:35:32] 	 no sir Doctor! call me farmer, please [15:35:32] 	 hi all, how is everyone doing? [15:35:39] * techfiz Omshivaprakash from kn:wiki [15:35:59] 	 Hi Omshivaprakash, great to see u here [15:36:30] 	 :) Bodhisattwa nice to meet you too [15:36:40] 	 Happy to meet. Omshivaprakash [15:38:39] 	 Ok, can we start? [15:39:27] 	 I would like to begin SIG for Wiktionary. furnish your opinion, please [15:40:57] 	 Special interest group (SIG) in Wikimedia.india [15:41:11] 	 It would be great [15:42:08] 	 Can you please explain in details about your plan to start a SIG [15:42:13] 	 ? [15:42:26] 	 info-farmer: Isn't it better to reach out to the existing language SIGs to understand the Wiktionary community first? [15:43:11] 	 Also encourage them to bring both communities together or slowly start building the collaboration [15:44:00] 	 Ravi! Will you explain more about SIG? [15:44:49] <Bodhisattwa>	 I think Ravi has left may be for a few minutes. [15:45:11] <info-farmer>	 ok [15:45:39] <Bodhisattwa>	 Ok, he has joined again [15:46:04] <info-farmer>	 Bodhi! you please our collaboration to Omshivaprakash [15:46:04] <Ravidreams>	 I Apologies. Facing connection issues. [15:46:25] <Bodhisattwa>	 Info-farmer has a request to Ravi if he can explain more about SIG [15:47:45] <Bodhisattwa>	 Om, Bengali wiktionary community is now collaborating with Tamil Wikt community [15:48:35] <info-farmer>	 Om! Please visit ta.wikt embassy page [15:49:13] <Bodhisattwa>	 We are developing simple templates, which will help create words automatically after manually retreiving data from PD online dictionaries [15:50:37] <Bodhisattwa>	 Bengali Wikt has a target to reach more than 1 lakh words margin from todays 1000 words situation in a year or two [15:51:27] <info-farmer>	 thank you. Bodhi. [15:51:58] 	 info-farmer: Bodhisattwa good to hear about the collaboration between bn and ta. I will look into the embassy page to learn more about it. [15:52:03] <Bodhisattwa>	 Very simple templates, which can also be utilised by other Wikt communities [15:52:09] <ravidreams_>	 I am followig the log at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-in/20150408.txt [15:52:50] <ravidreams_>	 Sure, I will explain my ideas about growing wiktionaries in Indian languages and how a SIG can help [15:52:55] 	 Kannada Wiktionary has got more than 2 lakh words but I haven't been active there as we have a community taking care of it. [15:52:58] <ravidreams_>	 towards the end of this session [15:52:58] <info-farmer>	 Like sa.wikt also in our collaboration [15:53:38] <info-farmer>	 When i look Kn.wikt, i found that  there is no category for English entries, Why? [15:53:39] 	 between, please excuse me as I have to run out for sometime. I will follow the discussion here once I'm back. [15:53:58] <Bodhisattwa>	 ok [15:54:29] 	 info-farmer: as I mentioned earlier, I have to bring those community members online to collaborate with you all. I think I had seen one of your conversation with Kiran Ravikumar. [15:54:38] <info-farmer>	 Will you please introduce kn.wikt contributors [15:54:39] * techfiz getting late brb! [15:54:49] 	 will do [15:55:19] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: I will try to connect at least one member from each wiktionary [15:55:35] <Bodhisattwa>	 info-farmer, how is the collaboration with sa.wikt going on? [15:56:10] <ravidreams_>	 I was expecting Shitikantha Dash from Odia Wiktionary to join us. He has added 1000s of words in the last few months through a bot [15:56:44] <Bodhisattwa>	 we want to learn from his experience also [15:56:51] <Bodhisattwa>	 it would be great [15:56:59] <info-farmer>	 slow not much like you people [15:57:51] <info-farmer>	 Only one person. He is learning about AWb [15:58:06] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: I am planning to visit Samskrit Bharathi soon. Will see how we can get their wiktionary more active [15:58:46] <info-farmer>	 Due to slow internet connection, we unable to learn much [15:59:39] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: Who is that person? Is he working in Samskrit Bharathi? [16:00:17] <ravidreams_>	 May be we can have a short trip for you arranged to Samskrit Bharathi and kickstart the collaboration? [16:00:48] <info-farmer>	 nehal ! [16:00:58] <ravidreams_>	 My inference is that for every 10 Wikipedians we may have 1 Wiktionarian active in the languages [16:01:23] <ravidreams_>	 So, most of the Indian Wiktionaries hardly hav one or two active Wiktionarians [16:03:11] <ravidreams_>	 If we hav clear focus like https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:1000_basic_English_words, we can easily hav some activity in all languages [16:03:12] <Bodhisattwa>	 yeah, thats correct [16:03:50] <info-farmer>	 I am ready to all indian wikt. If you have a plan, pls inform me. [16:04:02] <ravidreams_>	 creating words using templates like https://ta.wiktionary.org/s/2en can help [16:04:27] <ravidreams_>	 Bodhisattwa: Did you find any increased activity after creating this template in bn wikt? [16:05:02] <Bodhisattwa>	 We are using this templates [16:05:28] <Bodhisattwa>	 Telling new users to use it also [16:05:37] <info-farmer>	 In ml.wikt, they translated the 1000words [16:06:19] <ravidreams_>	 Bodhisattwa: Please have it added to the sitenotice [16:06:36] <ravidreams_>	 also, explain this page creation box in bn wiki village pump [16:06:40] <info-farmer>	 Now i am adding audio files from commons to ml.wikt [16:06:42] <ravidreams_>	 and social media channels [16:07:07] <Bodhisattwa>	 We are also working in bn.wikt about the translation of 1000words [16:07:14] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: what kind of audio files? don't we have them in commons already? [16:07:30] <info-farmer>	 1000 BasicEnglish+UK [16:07:33] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: what kind of audio files? don't we have them in commons already? [16:07:50] <info-farmer>	 Uk [16:07:54] <ravidreams_>	 I have seen my uncle who never bothers about wiki using an unofficial app for tamil wiktionary [16:08:07] <ravidreams_>	 until then, I didn't know that such an app existed ! [16:08:10] <info-farmer>	 UK+US+AUS to BE words [16:08:23] <ravidreams_>	 So, may people can benefit from having basic words explained in their language [16:08:24] <ravidreams_>	 Many use dictionary every day than wikipedia [16:09:28] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: oh ok, I thought we have those files only in ta wikt. Missed that you said they are available in commons [16:09:29] <Bodhisattwa>	 we are also planning for adding bn audio files. [16:10:00] <info-farmer>	 yes i saw more than 1200 people visit ta.wikt [16:11:01] <info-farmer>	 I checked and added more than 1500 files [16:11:41] <ravidreams_>	 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/EN/Sitemap.htm says we have 814 views per hour [16:11:41] <ravidreams_>	 That is nic [16:12:45] <info-farmer>	 Now i am trying to add both UK+US at a effort [16:13:22] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: Instead of you doing all the work, see if you can guide someone from local community [16:13:33] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: That way we can scale the work in all communities [16:13:39] <info-farmer>	 yes [16:13:46] <info-farmer>	 in te.wikt [16:14:00] <info-farmer>	 one person joined with me [16:14:05] <Bodhisattwa>	 Can the 1000 Basic English words translated in all Indic languages, be used in one spread sheet and used in all wikt projects? [16:15:17] <info-farmer>	 in sa.wikt also like i started they are continuing.. [16:15:32] <Bodhisattwa>	 Can the 1000 Basic English words translated in all Indic languages, be used in one spread sheet and used in all wikt projects? [16:17:56] <info-farmer>	 to save time, we have to make entries [16:17:57] <info-farmer>	 then only we can understand the particular tech need [16:17:57] <Bodhisattwa>	 ok [16:18:15] <Bodhisattwa>	 I think the translation section need special attention [16:18:40] <info-farmer>	 now we are preparing to 1000 [16:24:14] <info-farmer>	 we extracted uk audio files 1500 + US 13000 files [16:24:15] <info-farmer>	 How can we sort common words of both UK+US [16:24:16] <info-farmer>	 If we sort, while we upload [16:24:17] <Shanmugamp7>	 hey info-farmer and Ravidreams [16:24:17] <Shanmugamp7>	 some meeting going on? [16:24:17] <info-farmer>	 we can add both UK+US audio links [16:24:18] <info-farmer>	 shanmugam! surprise!! [16:24:19] <info-farmer>	 welcome!!! [16:24:19] <Shanmugamp7>	 info-farmer: i usually idle here :) [16:24:19] <Shanmugamp7>	 what do we need for that audio files? [16:24:19] <Shanmugamp7>	 info-farmer: ^ [16:24:19] <ravidreams_>	 Spread sheet can make it easy but I would prefer the work be done directly in Wiktionary so people can get credit [16:24:19] <ravidreams_>	 we can use spreadsheets when automated work using scraped data is used [16:24:33] <info-farmer>	 Bodhi! Shanmugam helped me to get the audio files in a shot time [16:25:57] <ravidreams_>	 Shanmugamp7: That's great :) [16:25:57] <Bodhisattwa>	 wow [16:25:58] <Bodhisattwa>	 great [16:26:19] <ravidreams_>	 Since, we are approaching the end of the session, may be I can share my views on a SIG for wiktionary [16:26:37] <ravidreams_>	 Shanmugamp7: If you can document the hack, we can add them for more languages [16:31:34] <Shanmugamp7>	 ravidreams_: its a API call, document is available in mediawiki.org [16:31:34] <Bodhisattwa>	 yeah [16:31:34] <info-farmer>	 I learning to do all my my work opensource only [16:31:35] <Shanmugamp7>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=categorymembers&format=xml&cmtitle=Category%3ABritish_English_pronunciation&cmprop=title&cmnamespace=6&cmlimit=20000&converttitles= [16:31:35] <info-farmer>	 finally! Onscreen key board is a must in all wiktionary [16:31:36] <ravidreams_>	 Shanmugamp7: Thanks [16:31:36] <Bodhisattwa>	 One question, how can the translation section of en.wikt can be created in other indic wikt? its really good [16:31:36] <ravidreams_>	 One can learn more about SIGs at http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair [16:31:36] <ravidreams_>	 so far we have only language based and city based SIGs [16:31:36] <Shanmugamp7>	 Bodhisattwa: info-farmer  already checked with me for that, will try to get some script developer help to import that [16:31:37] <info-farmer>	 yes i too thinking in your way Bodhi! [16:31:37] <ravidreams_>	 and theme based SIGs like gendergap and GLAM [16:31:38] <ravidreams_>	 Wiktionary can be our first Wikimedia projct based SIG [16:32:04] <Bodhisattwa>	 Shanmugamp7, great [16:32:08] <ravidreams_>	 Based on this experience, I hope we can form more SIGs for WikiSource, Mediawiki and Commons [16:32:31] <ravidreams_>	 My hope for Wiktionary SIG is to have basic things done [16:33:05] <info-farmer>	 ok Bodhi! in this week end. we will upload the 1000 words with relavant media files [16:33:35] <Bodhisattwa>	 great [16:33:42] <ravidreams_>	 1. Have Wiktionaries started or revived in all Indian languages having Wikipedias - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/List_of_Indian_language_wiki_projects [16:34:14] <ravidreams_>	 2. Have at least 1 very active editor (making 100 edits a month) and 5 active users (making 5 edits a month) in all Wiktionaries [16:34:31] <ravidreams_>	 3. Have 1000 basic english words created in all language Wiktionaries [16:34:47] <ravidreams_>	 4. Identify and document all possible sources like DSLA for all languages [16:36:16] <ravidreams_>	 5. Identify and gather free and public domain content that can get into Wiktionaries [16:36:16] <ravidreams_>	 6. Connect interlanguage Wiktionarians to exchange best practices and tech talent [16:36:16] <ravidreams_>	 Outside this SIG, I can also try to push for a user friendly Wiktionary app (either with a India focus or the official app) [16:36:16] <info-farmer>	 In a year, we will increase the wikt.production [16:36:16] <ravidreams_>	 We need an app that works offline [16:36:45] <ravidreams_>	 These can be the objectives of the Wiktionary SIG [16:36:50] <info-farmer>	 Ravi! one question [16:36:52] <ravidreams_>	 Please feel free to add more and improve our focus [16:37:44] <ravidreams_>	 To give a basic understanding about SIG, so far it has been running like Wikiprojects only. But, we hope to revive the SIG model and make it more autonomous including a dedicated budget [16:42:38] <ravidreams_>	 info-farmer: Yes, please tell [16:42:39] <info-farmer>	 how can implement the pop-up facility of oriya.wikt to ta.wikt? [16:42:39] <info-farmer>	 https://or.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%B7:%E0%AC%A8%E0%AC%97%E0%AC%A6%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%A6%E0%AC%B3 [16:42:40] <info-farmer>	 OK Bodhi! Shall we close our discussion? [16:42:40] <Shanmugamp7>	 info-farmer: which pop-up facility? [16:43:58] <info-farmer>	 r u in oriya.wikt page. Shanmugam! [16:44:11] <info-farmer>	 if yes, [16:44:13] <Shanmugamp7>	 yes [16:44:50] <info-farmer>	 place your mouse on a bliue link [16:45:44] <Shanmugamp7>	 ok [16:45:58] <info-farmer>	 that will show info ( the inside of the link) [16:46:24] <Shanmugamp7>	 ok that is a script, i think we have that for tamil wiki also [16:47:22] <Shanmugamp7>	 or can u give me a screenshot info-farmer [16:47:25] 	 info-farmer: OK, Bodhi is also not seen [16:47:26] <info-farmer>	 you mean we have to activate? [16:47:51] <Shanmugamp7>	 there is a software feature also [16:47:52] 	 once we figure out this pop=-up thing, we can close the discussion officially [16:47:57] 	 feel free to continue chatting after that [16:48:18] <info-farmer>	 he always facing conect-problem [16:49:13] <info-farmer>	 Shall we leave? [16:49:38] <info-farmer>	 ok !bye for now!! [16:50:03] <Shanmugamp7>	 i think you are talking about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards [16:50:09] <Shanmugamp7>	 info-farmer: or ravidreams ^ [16:51:40] 	 Ya [16:51:40] 	 bye for today :) [16:51:45] <Shanmugamp7>	 ok [16:51:52] <Shanmugamp7>	 its available in all wikis [16:51:58] <Shanmugamp7>	 just we have to enable them [16:51:59] <Shanmugamp7>	 https://ta.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B1%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures [16:52:00] <info-farmer>	 thank you Shan! [16:52:31] <info-farmer>	 bye for now all of you [16:52:41] <Shanmugamp7>	 bye