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Thread - Wiki Loves Food
[21:07] Hope, we shall get started with the chat as announced at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2015-February/012019.html [21:17] For all those who came here staright, may I request to have a look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1 [21:17] It explains WMIN's current activities and future plans. That will be a good point to start the discussion [21:20] I love wiki love food [21:21] when can we plan for wiki loves food? [21:22] We plan to launch it ASAP> [21:22] Karthik is the best person to explain the prep work it needs :) [21:22] Most of the programs should start rolling by March end. [21:22]  great to hear...but we need to make sure we dont feed Commons with spam [21:23]  we need to plan the program perfectly on the ines of WLM or WLE [21:23] we can bring recepe books with the images we get [21:23]  otherwise experience might be like Commons community will ask us to stay away just like ENWP and Simple WP Community [21:23] Of course :) Yohann will get in touch with you regarding this. We definitely need to implement the lessons learnt in WLM, WLE [21:24]  There were several discussions about Wiki Loves Food on facebook groups and few on mailing lists in past... [21:24] please blog the learnings [21:24] so that others can know the things behind [21:24]  yup,,,I think most of that are blogged somewhere [21:24]  will hunt them [21:25] if contributing directly to commons has much issues, can we ask the photographers to upload in flickr? [21:25] or can we have other platforms? [21:25]  shrinivasan: it might be double work IMO [21:26] Some relevant links here - https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Program_resources/Photo_competitions_and_events [21:26] a team can check them and then we can upload the selected works to commons [21:26]  yeah [21:26]  I think commons is muvh better idea [21:26] ok [21:26]  we will just have to aware the participants in proper way [21:26]  we did receive many personal images for WLM too :P [21:26] we need better tools for uploading to commons [21:27]  which was little..but still postportem is not that easy [21:27]  May be dedicated app for WLF? [21:27]  maybe the tool like Commonist [21:27] yes. commonist is not much user friendly [21:27]  we can also build mobile app like we did once for WLM... [21:27] commons mobile app is there already [21:27] that is good [21:27]  which was built by Yuvi.. [21:27] but is not there for ios [21:28] <Karthikndr> yup [21:28] they dropped the ios app [21:28] <Karthikndr> it is not there for ios [21:28] Shrini, I also remember your https://code.google.com/p/mediawiki-uploader/ tool [21:28] we need a good desktop app [21:28] <Abhi> We can plan hackathon for same.. [21:28] <Karthikndr> considering that most of the Indians now use android, we can settle up with Android [21:28] for windows and linux [21:28] It was useful during the Tamil Wikimedia photo contest [21:29] <Karthikndr> yu [21:29] <Karthikndr> perect @shrinivasan [21:30] <Amrut> Are there any plans for rural area, I would love to do outreach in Rural Maharashtra [21:30] Yes, many have remarked how uploading in Commons is not so user friendly. In fact, a friend of mine asked to develop a photo cms after which he assures to upload 1000s of pics from SriLanka [21:30] i wrote a command line tool that works on linux [21:30] <Shweta> Thumbs up for wiki love food. [21:31] we meed a good tool for windows [21:31] <Karthikndr> exactly [21:31] <Karthikndr> we need good tools for sure [21:31] <Karthikndr> I have around 100 photos ti upoad [21:33] <Shanmugamp7> Karthikndr: don't tell me that you are waiting for good tool to upload :P maybe for newbies its difficult to upload wizard and commonist :) [21:33] <Shanmugamp7> *to use [21:35] Personally, I findd Commons upload to be OK when I have a good internet connection like we have in Bengaluru. Only problem is with Video uploads. [21:40] We can also reimburse such nominal expenses [21:40] <Karthikndr> oops... tripod I mean..sorry [21:40] with mockup images, so that we can call for developers? [21:41] <Karthikndr> well.. I suggest to have an online hackthon to be held for all technical help we will require for commons..for WLM, WLF, and so on [21:41] <Karthikndr> and also for commons for life timee [21:42] <Karthikndr> obvoiusly I understand..thats why online hackathon [21:42] <Karthikndr> just volunteer time [21:42] can we call for donations for these grants from public? [21:42] <Karthikndr> and some certification [21:42] <Karthikndr> might be minimal prize [21:42] <Karthikndr> sponsorships will be good [21:42] can we call for donations for these grants from public? [21:42] <Karthikndr> and some certification [21:42] <Karthikndr> might be minimal prize [21:42] <Karthikndr> sponsorships will be good [21:43] Shrini, we do have budget for an app design contest - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1#App_Design_Contest [21:43] <Karthikndr> maybe we can go to Google India or so asking if they can sponsor us [21:43] I thought of doing it for Wikisource / Wiktionary [21:43] But, if there is so much need for a Commons upload tool, we can see if that can also be the focus [21:44] yes. we need a better tool for upload, so that the non-tech savy photographers can contribute easily [21:45] Engaging the tech talent in India aligns with our another plan regarding Wikipedia in Edcuation too [21:45] if someone gives the better mockup/ui [21:45] I can also contribut [21:45] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1#Wikipedia_in_Education [21:45] We will have set of students who will work exclusively on Mediawiki / language computing related needs [21:45] <Karthikndr> Shri...I can share the burden..professionally, thats what I'm into as well :D [21:46] So, we can also engage them if some of us can mentor [21:46] We need connections from the real geeks ;) [21:46] we need more tech hands [21:46] <Karthikndr> so lets start...let us pull out core members [21:50] <Sanket> everyone please go through https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1 [21:50] we had hackathon in chennai few years ago [21:50] like that we have to conduct often [21:50] People are excited about Wiki Loves Food [21:50] and discussing how to improve participation through better upload tools [21:52] <Abhi> FDA / Private Food outlet agencies might be interested in colloboration.. [21:52] <Shweta> yes, wiki loves food [21:52] <Sanket> Kartikndr can help us from his experience from WLM.. [21:52] we all love food :-) [21:52] <Abhi> They have lot of food images, and they can share/donate quality images... [21:52] is there an on-wiki project page for Wiki Loves Food? [21:52] <Shweta> We do have many bloggers from India, who have a very rich source of recipes [21:53] <Abhi> WikiBooks - recepies can be improved.. [21:53] <Shweta> They share traditional ethnic recipies [21:53] <Shweta> And also, they are very good with technology even. [21:53] Hi Bluerasberry, the project page will be launched soon. [21:53] <Shweta> I think approaching them would be a good idea even [21:54] <Abhi> And with traditional ethnic recipies, we can increase WikiWomen participation... [21:54] <Abhi> There is Wiki Loves Food info and few posters on Wiki [21:55] <Abhi> as well as on facebook groups. [21:55] <Shweta> Ok, I will try to share those posters via my blog even. [21:55] <Shweta> and also would encourage my female friends to contribute. [21:56] one question for ravidreams [21:56] <Abhi> Here is initial 2013 pilot project poster of Wiki Loves Food. - https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/permalink/551007324939935/ [21:56] <Shweta> Meanwhile, we are chanellizing our DC event, for Indic Wikipedia workshop [21:58] <Abhi> I would recommend to involve everyone involved with pilot project of Wiki Loves Food. [22:00] <Sanket> how about the idea of collaborating with Zomato, Burp, Hungry Table? [22:01] <Karthikndr> sincerely worried about spam (copy vios)...we need a concrete plans Ravi and Shri [22:03] <Abhi> @Sanket : Yes, nice idea. We can also work with 'Food & Drug Administration' [22:08] yes I want better documentation. I have tried to list all "wiki loves" projects at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_X but I see no project page for Wiki Loves Food [22:21] kiranravikumar: I will contribute about it to wiki loves food :P then I shall collect the GeoIP and other info from you to add best place to buy :P [22:24] <Sanket> some Mysore Pak for you all https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mysore_pak.jpg [22:29] Like Karthik has mentioned, firstly we need better tool & we need to make sure commons won't be flooded like WLM [22:30] <Abhi> Karthik is having more experience with such events, I am sure he knows practical issues associated with execution... [22:31] We literally had to flag 100s of images for copyright violation, not relevant, etc [22:32] <Karthikndr> agree with Kiran... Abhi, we are concerned about postmortem [22:32] <Karthikndr> it killed me and Kiran [22:32] <Karthikndr> tagging them for deletion and all [22:33] And also, being part of 2 WLM movements, we both know the postmortem saga .. so be prepared :) [22:33] <Abhi> I agree with you Karthiknde - Geeting more images is easy, categorizing them is real task. [22:34] Looks like we have to engage commons community during the planning stage itself [22:34] <Karthikndr> I'm still in hibernation after two WLMs :P [22:34] categorizing can be done just before the process, use one common category & then keep adding on later stage [22:34] <Karthikndr> categorizing can be done as part of upload wizard [22:34] exactly .. [22:35] Karthikndr: kiranravikumar please share any Commons related presentation that can be translated to Kn. The one I have translated is having some Non-free media and I'm having trouble uploading on commons. [22:35] I'm more worried of copyright violation in this case :( [22:35] <Karthikndr> exactly. [22:36] <Karthikndr> yup... techfiz, me and Kiran will work on something [22:36] <Abhi> Possible Categories - City Based, Taste based... [22:36] techfiz: I shall share some when next week, probably by tuesday. I'll keep a reminder on this. [22:36] * techfiz thanks in advance :) [22:36] <Abhi> Yohan created list I guess. It might be available in archives.. [22:37] <Karthikndr> list of what? [22:37] <Karthikndr> Food? [22:37] Abhi: This is where you need to be more careful, because here in India, we use slightly different names for same food at different locations. [22:39] <Abhi> Here is mailing list discussions from 2013 - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-March/009748.html [22:40] @abhi there was a long discusion on this topic. thanks for searching it out from the archives [22:40] <Abhi> kiranravikumar - different name for same food product. Hmm, one of possible issue... [22:41] Abhi: yea, such small issues will create bigger headache at later stages :( [22:42] <Abhi> True. [22:43] I think, we can do a good brainstorming on this topic for WLF in the next IRC

Thread - Outreach
[21:31] HI Amrut, we do not have any plans yet for outreach focused on any specific region. Hindi Wikimedians are planning to conduct a conference and we intend to support it. [21:32] Hopefully, it will help spread the word in Hindi speaking regions [21:32] <Amrut> Karthikndr will surely let you know once i get the info [21:32] <Abhi> @Amrut : You take lead and plan outreach activites.. [21:34] Amrut, you can check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1#Hindi_Wikimedia_Conference for details regarding Hindi Wikimedia conference. [21:35] Yercaud-elango is uploading images for plants [21:35] Larger videos have a problem in uploading. [21:36] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultivated_plants_of_Yercaud [21:36] will be better if we can sponsor a good camera for him [21:36] <Karthikndr> great Shrinivasan... [21:37] he is reaching 2000 photos [21:37] Shrini, his need for a better camera was communicated to me too. [21:37] he is planning to go around tamilnadu and capture all the plants [21:37] good [21:59] <Shweta> I would like to take a lead and do outreach for Indic Language Wikipedia workshop for Washington(DC), US. [22:03] <Amrut> Shweta Good to know US citizens are interested in improving Indic Language wikipedia [22:04] <Sanket> Hi Amrut..you've been doing some amazing Wiki related activities in Umbergaon.. [22:05] <Amrut> Rural India is having lot of potential [22:06] <Amrut> Even panchayat and local authorities have shown interest for wiki related outreach [22:07] <Abhi> Amrut - Kindly document everything on meta, so everyone can learn about your work and efforts. [22:08] Hi Amrut, are you associated with DC chapter or something? [22:09] <Amrut> ravidreams I work independently in Rural Maharashtra [22:09] <Shweta> Hello Ravidreams, I would like to introduce myself, Dr. Shweta Kokate, Username- ?????? ?????? [22:09] <Shweta> I am associated with the Washington (DC) chapter, for outreach program, Indic Wikipedia Workshop [22:10] <Abhi> We are also hosting Indian Language Wikipedia Workshop at Harvard Business School (Boston,USA). on 6th March 2015. [22:10] kiranravikumar: I had followed you to mysore last week :P welcome back to bangalore [22:10] <Shweta> Currently, we are chanellizing the workshop for Washington DC [22:10] <Shweta> Any inputs, suggestions and support is welcome [22:11] Indian language Workshop at a B school in US is intriguing :) Will wait to know the impact it makes ! [22:11] <Abhi> Shweta - Thanks for taking lead in DC area for Indic Languages. :) [22:11] <Shweta> Yes, Abhi. I will be joining you for Indian Language Wikipedia Workshop at Harvard Business School (Boston,USA). on 6th March 2015. [22:13] <Shweta> I will be representing Marathi Wikipedia both at the harvard conference and Washington DC woutreach. [22:14] <Amrut> @psubhashish1 [22:14] <Amrut> Do we need visa to attend the workshop [22:14] <Shweta> psubhashish1 I am based in Washington DC. So, no worries :) I am a local resident. [22:15] <Shweta> Thats the reason, I am willing to provide onground support :) [22:15] Amrut are you going to DC to attend a Wikipedia workshop? Sweta, oh, good. 22:21] <Abhi> We are planning to host panel dicussion. If anyone wants to join Harvard Workshop via Google Hangout, Kindly let us know.. [22:23] <Amrut> I would love to join the harvard hangout

Thread - Grants
[21:33] <Karthikndr> and also, I have added some comments for grant request in chapter wiki... would request Ravi and EC to review and take it as a good practice to deal with grant requests [21:33] <Amrut> Abhi have some plans, we need help from community [21:34] <Karthikndr> Shanmugamp7: waiting for good time :P [21:34] Amrut, you can check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1#Hindi_Wikimedia_Conference for details regarding Hindi Wikimedia conference. [21:34] <Shanmugamp7> oh okay :) [21:35] <Karthikndr> Thanks...will also appreciate if requests can be brought to mailing list attention..thankfuly was checking around the site after long time in TTT, thus got time to add in [21:36] Karthik, notifying mailing lists is a bit tricky as it may be considered annoying by some. But, we have to find a way to keep the community more in touch. [21:37] I am encouraging people to apply for our Infrastructure Scholarship [21:38] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Infrastructure_Scholarship [21:38] <Karthikndr> I need a standee... :P [21:38] can I apply there on behalkf of him? [21:39] or he has to apply himself? [21:39] <Karthikndr> i think..it might be better if he can apply himself..but that is the chapters call [21:39] Shrini, you can help him to write the application, but he will have to submit it in his own id with community consent [21:39] More instructions can be found in that page [21:39] thats fine [21:39] will update him on this [21:40] Great ! [21:40] Karthik, what kind of standee? There are already some in Mumbai with another former member. You can pick it up from him [21:40] on the upload tool, can anyone give specifications? [21:40] We can also reimburse such nominal expenses [21:41] karthik, in principle, we will try to support all requests. But, at the moment our funds are limited. So, some may have to wait till next round if the expense is huge. [21:42] can we call for donations for these grants from public? [21:42] <Karthikndr> and some certification [21:42] <Karthikndr> might be minimal prize [21:42] <Karthikndr> sponsorships will be good [21:42] can we call for donations for these grants from public? [21:42] <Karthikndr> and some certification [21:42] <Karthikndr> might be minimal prize [21:42] <Karthikndr> sponsorships will be good [21:43] Shrini, we do have budget for an app design contest - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1#App_Design_Contest [21:43] <Karthikndr> maybe we can go to Google India or so asking if they can sponsor us [21:43] I thought of doing it for Wikisource / Wiktionary

Thread - Tamil WikiSource
[21:56] we have around 500 public domain tamil books in http://www.projectmadurai.org/pmworks.html [21:56] <Sanket> we can also have contest to attract new editors/contributors [21:57] can we port them all to tamil wiki source? [21:57] there are many spelling errors [21:57] == subha has changed nick to psubhashish [21:57] porting them to wiki source will help people to fix the errors themself [22:04] <Shanmugamp7> shrinivasan: yes  you can, if they are in public domain [22:05] Shrini, yes you can port all those books. Spelling mistakes can be fixed later. [22:06] Shanmugamp7: okey. then, will start copying books from project madurai to wiki source [22:06] Unless we publish, there is no way of fixing it [22:06] I only had a brief glance over ta wikisource and I am not sure if it follows good navigation structure [22:06] These things should be standardised so all wiki source projects can follow [22:08] I would request a walk through or a documentation for uploading out of copyright books to wiki source for further process. [22:09] <Karthikndr> techfiz.. I think such documentation will help [22:09] <Karthikndr> and let us keep that as a template for all langs [22:09] We have been able to find a list of out-of-copyright books for Kannada on Osmania University as a part of a project (Samooha sanchaya). [22:09] Hi Bluerasberry, thanks for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_X link [22:10] We will make sure to link our there when we are open for participation [22:12] Shweta: I'm sure there are many people from Karnataka to join hands on (Kn:Wiki) do inform when you're (or if you have already ) setting up a Event page. I can help translating and push it through various groups and social media channels [22:24] You know what, your track record is awesome :) It inspired me to work more on my personal projects :) [22:24] ravidreams: if someone can help or work with me on documenting the process to upload out of copyright books would be a great help [22:24] You know what, your track record is awesome :) It inspired me to work more on my personal projects :) [22:24] ravidreams: if someone can help or work with me on documenting the process to upload out of copyright books would be a great help

Thread - WMIN UPdate
[22:15] Hey, we will be winding up the session officially and close the log by 10.30 [22:15] Any questions for WMIN? [22:15] For the last few months, we had some uncertainties with our funding situation. [22:16] Now WMF has approved our FDC period till June 2015 [22:16] So, you can expect more activities soon. [22:16] ravidreams, congratulations! really happy to hear [22:16] Thanks, Subha ! [22:17] Do we have any pages/discussions on WLF? apart from Facebook group link? [22:19] <Sanket> Wikimedia India is also going for 12A registration soon.. [22:19] And who didn't hear it, WMIN would like to share some WikiLove for active Wikimedians - https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2015-February/012006.html [22:20] We will be sending the shirts by March first week. So, please make sure you register now. [22:20] @pshubhashish1 Really excited to meet so many comunity members in Bangalore on Saturday [22:20] And those who have applied for Wikimania and intend to submit presentations, Feb 28 is the last date for sending abstracts [22:22] Anyone, who needs help with their Wikimania presentations can also ping us at [22:22] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikimania_2015 [22:22] <Abhi> Nice initiative by WMIN. Good to see new faces. [22:23] Since this is the first IRC after a long time, we are catching up and touching lot of issues. [22:23] If there is enough engagement, we plan to launch biweekly IRCs with focus on specific issues and communities [22:23] Please ping me for better ways to engage and take forward our misison [22:23] ravidreams: Inputs given for Wikimania application submission process were very useful. Hope to see the impact :) Thanks for that. [22:24] <Abhi> Google Hangout might be more interesting as compared to IRC. [22:24] subha is helping with presentation drafting [22:25] Abhishek, even for our internal team chats, hangouts can be troublesome when the connectivity is not good [22:25] IRC can be asynchronous [22:26] and suits for an open discussion [22:26] <Abhi> It might be nice idea to have options. Those who have good connectivity can join hangout...otherwise I am assuming IRC will be there anyways... [22:27] <Karthikndr> ravidreams...any open agenda left for the day?? [22:29] Nothing else from my side [22:29] Just went through WLF, WLM & Karthik's suggestion ... [22:29] <Abhi> Good to see mixed participation from experienced as well as new members..